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Matthew Argyle's avatar

Wow. What a synthesis of models. The core makes perfect sense to me. I'll be going through it again but wanted to give you kuddos for tackling big, meaningful ideas. I enjoy the way you think. Thank you for sharing.

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Michael Pingleton's avatar

Nathanael, excellent job at taking such a large amount of complex thoughts/frameworks and organizing them in such a way that's logical and flows well. I like the approach of "here's all the pieces; let's put them together in these different ways." There was definitely quite a lot to unpack here.

I do find it striking how hard times like war, disease, or tyranny can knock societies down several pegs and keep us stuck around the self-protective stage.

Your thoughts on shadows here also intrigue me. I do think that we as a society have done rather poorly handling the shadows brought about by the Cold War, 9/11, COVID, etc. This being said, it does seem like some younger people are recognizing the patterns and addressing them.

On the thought of holding no loyalty to a particular ideology, this does make me think about the so-called "swing states" that we have here in the USA. These states don't reliably vote red or blue like most other states; they change between elections and depending of the circumstances. I like to think this is because the people that live in these states tend to live at the higher stages of ego development than those of the other states. Because of this, it's the swing states that decide the outcome of the election, for the most part. People seem to want to pay attention to the more nuanced thinkers rather than those who reliably think the same thoughts over and over again.

Personally, I've spent most of my childhood and adolescence in the self-protective and conformist stages; I had such an awful time there mainly due to my neurodivergence. I never fit in with any groups of people well nor did I have any close friends. Only after having tried to fit in with everyone else failed so miserably did I start to not care about what other people think, doing what I thought was best for myself instead. In essence, I slowly began to climb up the stages. This is when life started to improve for me. Even on the rare occasions that the shadows appear, I tend to handle them decently well.

Very nice work here!

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